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Ron
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Since Hellin is back, I shan't dare to not to mention this;
"ZeГјmbekiko and Tarantella
by N. S. Aspiotis
The more we study the civilization of the ancient Greeks the more knowledge and wisdom we acquire. At the same time we discover information that has been distorted in its transmission down through the ages, or is not known at all by the vast majority of people.
One such example is the well-known and popular dance, ZeГјmbekikos.. Many believe that this word is of Anatolian or Turkish origin. This is not true: it is a compound word formed by the joining of "ZeГј" and "mbГ©kos." The prefix "ZeГј" is none other than the name of the god (Zeus). According to Herodotus, the Phrygian word for bread was "vekos," or "mbekos." The Greek root of that word is found today (in the Arvanitiko dialect of our language) in words such as "mboukia," "mbouk" (= bread); the German "backen (= bake); and the English "baker."
The first compound, "ZeГј" = Zeus, is symbolic of the god as "spirit," whereas "mbekos" = bread symbolizes the body. It is also useful to remember that the rhythmic measure 9/8ths (3/4 + 3/8) became popular after the famous contest between Apollo and Marsyas,(1) and was said to represent a blending of "Doric" and "Phrygian" harmony. We encounter the word "ZeГјmbekos" as well in the name of a mountain in the northern part of Arcadia. Near this mountain, at the river Lousion, Zeus was said to have been baptized and initiated into the chthonic rites of the region.
The popularity of today's "pyrrhic"(2) 9/8ths rhythm in the ZeГјmbekikos dance can be attributed to the fact that, as a dance which is symbolic and religious, it serves to give pleasure and comfort to the body as well as the soul. The dancer moves his arms and shoulders as if they were wings; as if he desires to fly. He strikes the ground with his feet as if trying to leave the earth and ascend heavenward, suspended between time and space. He looks at the ground so as not to lose his bearings; he touches "Mother Earth" with his knees, with his body, and with his hands -- like another Antaeus (3) -- in order to draw in her power. Her spirit fills him with confidence as he absorbs the geomagnetic rays of the "Mother of us all": Gaea!"
Above was written; "The first compound, "ZeГј" = Zeus, is symbolic of the god as "spirit," whereas "mbekos" = bread symbolizes the body."
Thus I suggest that Zeu = Ieu = Zeus = Ieus = Jesus, and the dance is to symbolize either/or the bread representing the body of Jesus, or the miracle of him turning the few loaves of bread to feed the multitude.
The above also mentioned; " We encounter the word "ZeГјmbekos" as well in the name of a mountain in the northern part of Arcadia. Near this mountain, at the river Lousion, Zeus was said to have been baptized and initiated into the chthonic rites of the region."
Thus Jesus and Zeus were both baptized in a river!! And afterwards, they both began to pay their "initiation" dues.
Regards,
Ron
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yax
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Well done, Ron! P.S. Again, let me invite you to wright a certain essay - how you view it, history. It might as well be presented at the 10th Conference on Civilization Problems which is planned to be held in Moscow in May. Best regards.
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denikin
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I wonder if Jesus leading his disciples in a Circle Dance (Nag Hamabi texts) might be related ?
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Ron
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Certainly music and dance has probably been a large part of religious ceremony for years. Witness the pagan dance festivals that still exist, plus the extravagant number of ritual dances associated with the Christian churches in the world today. (mardi gras/ carnival!, fashing etc.)
Dance, like music, is an extravagance of mankind. That is mankind could only have music and dance when the conditions were right.
The question is, which came first? Did dance exist before man found out that they could mimic the heart beat of the mother? The sound of rain in the leaves? The non rithmic sounds of thunder?, etc.?
Or did men and women dance just for the pleasure of it? Like the deer in the fields in the spring? The birds?, etc.?
Such is the question and wiser men than me have probably looked at the question. But has the answer been found?
Certainly today, a provocative dance can be performed by an man toward a women and a women toward a man! Music is not necessary for these acts of sex to take place, or is it?
We see in the animal kingdom, (I include insects, birds, fish, etc. in the term animal) males and females of different species, perform dances for sex without the use of music. Can mankind be any different? Or does music exist in a exestential manner?
In the present times there have been reported instances of the discovery of stone age men who have no knowledge of the so called "modern man!" As far as I know, each and every one of these aboriginal groups had the basics of music involved, IE drums, flutes, etc. So maybe we can assume, for our sake, that man as we know us, has for many years used music as a basis for our sexual and religious outlets.
Certainly it continues today. Except, IT had been the intent on some religious groups to downplay the use of music in certain groups or societies, to down play the aphrodisiac properties of music.
Thus music can and does lend itself to displays of lascivious conduct that is not considered proper in certain groups.
It has been obvious that certain societies have destroyed the phallic and female symbols of fertility that seemed to be part and parcle of life among groups of people that are now considered as being "backwards." They are, in a word, Baccanal in appearance. Just ignorant people interested only in the baser instincts.
Since I was raised in a Southern Baptist and most of you have no idea what theywe really are, maybe I can tell you.
Southern Baptist's are just the grown up versions of what is now called "foot washing Baptist's", much the same as any version of Pentacostal groups. In most of these churches, the "cross" for most of the last few centuries, was not allowed in or upon the place of worship, as it was considered "too pagan or too catholic."
Taken literally there were also no, I repeat, no! statues of Jesus and especially any other personage of the Bible allowed in the place of worship!Take your pick! Thus "no graven images" were allowed. Sound familar?
Also music was considered "people", and not musical instruments. Thus to make a "joyfull noise unto the Lord", was to sing. No musical instruments were allowed. Later on, mechanical organs, or pianos were allowed but no electronic instruments, nor guitars, nor violins, etc., since they were instruments of the Devil which was indeed the Catholic Church.
Thus there were no sound systems, no recordings played, etc. Members who violated various rules of the church were "shunned" by every other member, and this had to include husbands, wives, children, etc. Members of these churches were required to be Baptised by immersion, no sprinkle was ever allowed, and those Baptised had to be of age, thus no infant Baptism. These actions continued well into the 20th century in many churches, and in some continue today. Again, any ideas popping into your heads?
I know this may seem unusual to those of you from Europe and S. America, where the church has for long been but an instrument of the State! But it was and is common here in the USA.
We take our sepation of Church and State very serious, as opposed to many European countries who allow the State to pay the salarys of the Pastors and Priests of their religious parties. This is what we call "freedom of religion", and most Americans will fight you for this right! Our very own constitution states in the most obvious language (and I paraphrase) "there will be no State (National) religion of the United States!"
It, in actuallity, states; "Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor restrict the free exercise" (of religious experience) "thereof!"
Do I have any conclusions? NO!
These are for you to make as I have just consumed large quantities of adult beverages. LOL
Regards,
Ron
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