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TIMAEUS: Very true.
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SOCRATES: And being thus trained they were not to consider gold or silver
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SOCRATES: Neither did we forget the women; of whom we declared, that their
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TIMAEUS: That, again, was as you say.
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SOCRATES: And what about the procreation of children? Or rather was not
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SOCRATES: And do you also remember how, with a view of securing as far as
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TIMAEUS: True.
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SOCRATES: Then have I now given you all the heads of our yesterday's
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omitted?
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TIMAEUS: Nothing, Socrates; it was just as you have said.
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SOCRATES: I should like, before proceeding further, to tell you how I feel
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about the State which we have described. I might compare myself to a
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describing. There are conflicts which all cities undergo, and I should
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